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Paul McKeown wrote:For the experts, though, here is a question. Is there a way to get a full report (or a means to export the data) on all the players in an event, with all the entered data provided, including name, id, FIDE id, grade, rating, gender, club, date or birth, etc? Or even better, that plus all the games played.

That would be perfect for generating the necessary info for ECF grading, for instance. However, if such a thing exists, I haven't found it, and I end up hacking together various columns from various reports to get what is needed, which seems like unnecessary drudgery. Swiss Manager will output the tournament in a FIDE formatted file which is used for rating the tournament.

(menu selection: Other FIDE Export) The ECF Result File Checker can read the FIDE results file and has a facility to output it in ECF format which the ECF Grader will accept. All ECF Graders have access to the Result File Checker program. It is a waste of time; you may be happy to spend your time cutting and pasting data from various sources, but other people have lives.

The reports generated should be the reports needed, or the software should provide you with adequate means to define your own reports. Swiss Mangler doesn't. Furthermore, it is a basic function of well-written software that if you input data, you can one output it. Where can one output all the player data input? Nowhere that I can see, nor anywhere that you have suggested. Paul McKeown wrote:As the ECF's arbiters seem to be standardising on Mangler, would it not be a useful service for the ECF to produce two appropriate downloads for Mangler? FWIW I don't put the entries in that way.

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My entry spreadsheet gets run through some software, which looks up grades and ratings of the right type automatically, and get translated into a NAT rating list as described by Adam. I then import everyone in one go by importing the whole NAT rating list. This was how we ran the Southern Gigafinal you attended.

I didn't need to put anyone in any Swiss-Manager file until just before we wanted to print the pairings., then just imported everyone in bulk. Meant I could get 600 players in about 15 tournaments with accurate data in about 15 minutes. Importing those players one-by-one would have taken several people several hours.This isn't recommended if you haven't done this before, because if the import fails for some reason, you're buggered. But we'd done it for dozens of other tournaments, so we had no reason to fear a problem. Paul McKeown wrote:I am not an ECF grader, though I pass results on to someone who is. I normally do my own grading and rating.

The only exception I can think of is the 4NCL Congresses, where Matthew Carr does the grading for them - however, he has all the information available anyway because he has access to the relevant Dropbox folder. So here's a suggestion for you - if you don't wish to take on the responsibility of grading your own tournaments, but you're collecting your entries now and putting the information from the entry forms in a spreadsheet, you might investigate sharing that spreadsheet with your grader via cloud storage. That way he has all the information he needs readily available when he can do the grading. You can even put the FIDE rating files you create in there. So he has all the tools he needs to do his job without you doing anything more than you've done already. My entry spreadsheet gets run through some software, which looks up grades and ratings of the right type automatically, and get translated into a NAT rating list as described by Adam.

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I then import everyone in one go by importing the whole NAT rating list. Would it not make sense to make such software available? The 4NCL owns it, so I don't hold the keys to that kingdom. However, it has no user documentation at all, falls over if there are certain data entry errors that I know to avoid but others will fall headlong into if they haven't used it before, and it's only capable of holding one month's rating list at a time (which poses a challenge if two tournaments on one weekend are using it, but with different rating list requirements). It really is only written for the two people who currently use it.

So I expect you'd conclude that it suffers from all the same drawbacks as Swiss-Manager. Paul McKeown wrote:It is a waste of time; you may be happy to spend your time cutting and pasting data from various sources, but other people have lives. The reports generated should be the reports needed, or the software should provide you with adequate means to define your own reports. Swiss Mangler doesn't. Furthermore, it is a basic function of well-written software that if you input data, you can one output it.

Where can one output all the player data input? Nowhere that I can see, nor anywhere that you have suggested. As the Organiser, you have total freedom over which pairing software you adopt for running and rating or grading your tournaments. If you want a program fully integrated with the ECF Grading System then use UTU Swiss.

It does everything that you are asking. FIDE and ECF have their own documented standards for result submission files for rating and grading, respectively. The ECF results checker program allows files to be reformatted from FIDE and ECF. If you want to be able to use it then you need to register as an ECF grader and then you can submit your results directly to the ECF. Bear in mind that FIDE demand that all players register with their national federation and obtain a FIDE Identification Number (FIN) before playing in a FIDE rated tournament. ECF are more flexible and allow players to be registered on the ECF database at the time the tournament results are submitted for grading. To assist identification of individuals you need to supply an ECF registered club name or home town; date of birth also has to be supplied for juniors.

The ECF grading database is well established. It is successful because the local volunteer graders check that results from tournaments conform to the published standards. I have found that the ECF Grading Manager, Brian Valentine, and ECF Grading Administrator, Matthew Carr, are responsive and extremely helpful. They can assist you if you have difficulties in submitting your results in the correct format.

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